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Sometimes it's fun to sit back, fold my arms behind my head and watch you kick ass.

By  girlfriday, at 14/6/06 00:15  

What would be interesting, would be for you to make a blog posting that defines what you feel are the requirements for salvation. Then we can go through a list of cultists, heretics, and maybe some real Christians who are sloppy with their doctrine, and see whether each of these would be "in" or "out" according to your standards.

I predict that you would come up with some all inclusive requirements that would fill heaven with anyone who simply says the words "I believe in Jesus", and therefore almost everyone is "in". That's not very much of a narrow way though, is it?

The only alternative is that you would have to admit that some people's doctrinal errors are worse than other people's errors. And some errors might be so bad that they might actually be "out". Suddenly you'd look nearly as subjective and arbitrary as you are trying to portray the folks in this post of yours.

But again though, I sort of think you are a "heaven is the wide road" kind of believer. That's my hunch. You don't want to draw any lines, the way Jesus and the Apostles did. Am I wrong?

By  Anonymous, at 14/6/06 00:55  

Ah yes. I'm a wide road believer, where pretty much everyone gets in. That would explain this post and all the pussy-footing around that I do in it, wouldn't it?

Thank you for reading my blog and doing research before making assumptions.

Moving on.

Yes. You are wrong. And use your name next time for more respect.

By  Julie, at 14/6/06 01:01  

Hey, anonymous, how many angels dance on the head of a pin?

By  Anonymous, at 14/6/06 01:12  

Angels on the head of pin? Don't know, because the bible doesn't say so.

Well Julie, I read that post of yours and it really didn't tell me much, other than I have to believe in Jesus or I might end up in hell.

The Catholics believe Jesus is the only way, so do the JW's, are they "in"? In other words, are there any other doctrines that are important to you, like Justification by Grace Through Faith, etc? What if someone doesn't believe a doctrine like that, are they "out"? Are some doctrines crucial for salvation, and other ones are not?

You seem to have a lot of courage in your writing style, so I wonder if you'll have the courage to draw a line that would leave some people who "say" they believe in Jesus, left standing on the wrong side of the line. The bible does, after all. Many will come to me in that day saying Lord Lord.

I still sort of think you are a "it's not for me to judge anyone" kind of believer. But we'll see.

By  Anonymous, at 14/6/06 01:28  

(sigh)

And so it begins.

Look. You kind of sort of have a hunch that you think I might believe such-and-such? You kind of sort of think you can predict something about me?

Let me know when you're certain.

You must be a man. Your comment screams it.

I will not have a slice of Slice in my comments section. I am not going list every author, teacher, preacher, doctrine, etc. I've ever listened to/read so that we can work through the list to your doctrinal satisfaction. Why don't you and I just go out and tell someone about Jesus instead of, I hate to admit it, arguing about angels and pins?

You want me to draw a line? Without the substitutionary atonement of Jesus, the Son of God and part of the Triune God, born of a virgin and prophesied of in the Old Testament, we would be heading to the hell we deserve. Through Christ, and only Christ, I am saved. I've done nothing to deserve salvation. There is nothing I can do to earn my salvation because Christ has already done it. The Bible is the divinely inspired and living Word of God.

What other important points would you like to discuss that you and I disagree on? Yeah. Go somewhere else.

I'm Assemblies of God. There's your label. There's speaking in tongues! Got anymore hunches?

By  Julie, at 14/6/06 01:35  

I posted my comment as you were posting yours, "Anonymous." So the above comment is in response to your first one.

Now that I read your second one, I think I would have drafted something like this:

1. You want me to display courage while you display "anonymous." I have a hunch you're a coward.

2. How is Wisconsin these days? Looks like you've been on my blog for about four hours.

I will not waste another lick of time on doctrinal debates like this. You've already read why. If that isn't clear enough, try this.

By  Julie, at 14/6/06 01:45  

Well, see now - that's interesting. Because by the standards you just set, TD Jakes is "out", so are any United Pentacostals, Phillips Craig and Dean too (non-trinitarians). You mentioned something about Finney above, he's "out" (he didn't believe in substitutionary atonement).

There ya go Julie, you drew some lines. You showed me wrong. So what's the problem if other people draw lines too?

PS: Hey, what's wrong with talking about doctrine? And why can't people be interested in both doctrine and witnessing? I say "lets do both!". Let's even base our witnessing on our doctrine.

Coward? Yes, I didn't say I had courage, I just said that it seemed like you did:-)

Thanks for the conversation. Have a good night sister Julie.

By  Anonymous, at 14/6/06 02:12  

The mainstay of comments at Slice are from people pointing out the "bad connections" between teachers and list it as a reason to avoid any and all things if you want to stay the remnant. This is valid. And it is also not.

DING! You win the prize. If we're going to play '6 degrees of separation', I can turn anyone into a heretic.

I believe all truth is God's truth whether the person who wrote or thought it wants to admit or realizes it or not.

The danger, obviously, is that not everyone has a good framework for separating the truth from the error. I personally love debate/argument and hearing opposing views because they teach me how to contextualize the truth and challenge me to an increasing depth of knowledge.

[re: your comment]
How many times on this blog have I seen a teacher or some other Christian with the same qualifications (some errant views, but a lot right as well) warned against, railed against, not even allowed to be quoted or used to make a point - why is it OK to allow Augustine?

Spot on, again! I admire that the Slice folks are keeping an eye on things that are important... However, they paint with some rather oddly-shaped brushes sometimes.

Early on, I came to the conclusion that their blog was just another aggregator for me. I can get links to all the latest wackiness without digging myself. I'll form my own opinions though, thanks...

Ah yes. [Julie's] a wide road believer, where pretty much everyone gets in. That would explain this post and all the pussy-footing around that [she does] in it, wouldn't it?

You are? I'm never visiting this blog again! Die, you heretic!

By  HeavyDluxe, at 14/6/06 07:09  

You must be kidding, Anonymous. Could you give the doctrines of grace a worst name?

Let us assume that you are an imposter. No one I know that is even, let's say, a 3 point Calvinist, is the least ashamed of posting a comment using their moniker.

By  girlfriday, at 14/6/06 10:03  

[Note: Anonymous made his comment before the following HeavyD and GirlFriday, but because I was unable to publish them all until now, no one had the benefit of each other's thoughts.]

I wasn't going to publish your comment, Anonymous, because it is exactly what I want to avoid: perpetual "unwinnable" debates. I rolled my eyes and about clicked the delete button.

But frankly, it made me laugh. You've done exactly what I was talking about. You've listed a bunch of people that "are out" because of lines I've drawn thinking you've won some kind of argument when you've only proven my point.

What part of "had many errant views, but he also had a lot right as well" doesn't make sense to you? The post was about finding something of use or even truth from teachers whose views I don't necessarily buy fully into, from teachers who are way past my "lines." Please re-read that.

HeavyD, great comment. I agree. Discernment is of utmost importance when gleaning from anyone, errant view or seemingly white as the driven snow.

And GirlFriday, my grace for Anonymous was giving him one last stab at saying nothing. I guess he's only a two-pointer.

By  Julie, at 14/6/06 12:55  

Julie:

I got your point. I'm not sure you are getting mine though.

There are good things that every religious person has to say, right? Even the Muslims have some very moral things to say. But the point is, if you know that someone is a cultist or believes in a way that would keep them out of heaven, why listen to their teaching at all? They might end up swaying you, and you might find yourself deceived. Wouldn't it be better to put yellow police tape around Joseph Smith and people who you know aren't going to be in heaven if they continue in their current beliefs? . . . and stay away from them completely?

So in other words, why are you promoting a postmodern'ish agenda of listening to everyone's teaching, including cultists? As far as I'm concerned, David Koresh has nothing to say to me.

PS: Why weren't you going to let my last post go through (you said you almost hit the delete button), but one of the main points that you stress on three different posts on your blog is how a certain blog that you don't like "censors" their comments? Wouldn't you be censoring me, if you don't let my comment through?

PSS: What's all of this talk about "points" and "calvinists"? I have made no such claims here. You say that these other blogs are cruel or rude, but you keep calling me names like a "two pointer", and girlfriday uses curse words. How is this blog any better than those other blogs that you are protesting? I seem to see the same behaviors here that you are speaking out against.

By  Anonymous, at 14/6/06 13:53  

Anonymous, if you truly desire to continue this discussion, you'll have to do it via email.

I do have your last comment but do not intend to publish it. I sense a strong miscommunication, and that you could go round and round on this. I know I need to stop this here lest this post become what I hate, and have written about in past blog posts: continuous arguments over Christian doctrine.

And no, I am not censoring you. Please read, in my blog EULA, the section on what censorship is and isn't. That should answer any questions.

Again, you are welcome to contact me directly if you so wish to continue your path of discussion.

By  Julie, at 14/6/06 22:17  

You've ended up doing the same thing that you blame Slice for. The only difference is, you believe that your rules (EULA) for censoring are better than Slice's censoring rules. They do have comment posting rules over there, you know.

Because you've been censored on various other blogs, you've taken your beefs back to your own blog, to call-out those who censored you. I hope you understand that this can work both ways. One day you'll censor someone who will end up writing about your double standards on their blog. It's only a matter of time.

Yes, I know . . . this will never be posted. I know the drill.

By  Anonymous, at 15/6/06 09:21  

Seven times you have been back to this post today. I can tell that you even considered using an anonymous surfer. This is not to creep you out, but to let you know that if you do not want me to know who you are, the best thing you could do is stop coming here and leaving comments.

Comments you know I see that won't see the light of day do not count as email, yet you continue to leave them.

I am not a hypocrite for wondering why my comments weren't published on another blog (Slice) and then not publishing your comments. I do not feel that any of my unpublished comments, including the one I sampled in my own post, are out of line with the policy at Slice. Whatever the case, please do not get after me for blogging about something on Slice after my comment isn't published when the policy over on that blog encourages bloggers such as myself to do so. I encourage you to blog about this topic on your own, if you must. I will gladly link to such a post.

I asked you to read the blog Eula. Take note of this line in my policy: I also reserve the right to delete comments by those posted as 'anonymous' that are argumentative, out of line, or just tick me off in general.

What do you not understand?

By  Julie, at 15/6/06 18:45  

Julie,

Thanks for recent comments about Slice. I have tried several times to engage these folks in a civil conversations about some of the things posted there, but they will not give me the time of day.

I was drawn to your site by your comments about Gary Lamb (a friend). I have come to enjoy reading your blog. Keep up the good work.

Brian

By  Brian, at 17/6/06 18:24  

Thanks for stopping by, Brian. I hope you continue to do so, and leave comments (pro and con!) on future posts. My Gary Lamb post was probably a little much for a friend to read.

And Anonymous, you'll notice your comments have been published. I very rarely don't publish comments, despite what you think and whatever hunches you have. I felt it wise to wait a bit and let things cool down.

So there you go. All has been published. Nothing held back. I do encourage you to use your name in the future, however.

By  Julie, at 17/6/06 22:05  

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